First proof

From my last post we have to follow 2 simple rules while understanding Quran.

1. The laws are clear and do not need someone to explain what they mean unless you have no translation or do not understand Arabic.

2. Anything other than laws in Quran is "allegory" (mutashabihat...un) secondly no one knows its meaning other than Allah (The God) or people who are knowledgeable (in my opinion on that subject), thus for instance I wouldn't know what is talked about when it comes to formation of a baby in mother's womb or other things that are beyond my knowledge. Somethings today have become common knowledge, others are still hidden and because of our lack of information on the subject we have no idea what the verses are talking about, some we could assume but it will be very hard to know.

Some people believe that stories in Quran are real, which is not as Quran itself says that its not true, I'm not saying this, but its part of the book, maybe it happened like what Quran says but maybe it didn't, it is just allegory.

Some people believe that certain selected people have knowledge of Quran like people from time of prophet or people who have knowledge about Quran, I'm quiet sure that they didn't and don't, even if they claimed they did, they had wrong information. Anyone can claim anything but some information in Quran wasn't even common knowledge till 1900s and as these other people didn't write any book or scientific papers on the matter I'm sure they really didn't think on this line of thought.

Before I start let me tell you a story about myself, I was students hostel in Mumbai in 1992, I went to pray Maghrib (evening prayer) and after that there was usually someone talking about going to villages to convert people, so you have to say if you could join them or not, it wasn't only converting people but  was also about showing people what is right and wrong or called "dawah" (invitation).

So we were told to stay back and listen to the imaam (leader) what he wanted to talk about, the guy stood up and started talking, I don't remember exactly what he talked about other things but two things that really made a difference that is something I do remember clearly, first he said, "Whats the big deal if man went to moon, so small creation of God could go to moon". I assumed 'small creation' is man who went to moon, though I wanted to ask what he meant but I kept quite. Than he said, "Science is nothing, they have done so much but still they don't know how moon splits into pieces and joins together", I thought he was talking about "Shakkal Kamar" (splitting of moon) in Quran.

But I couldn't resist myself and I asked him, "What do you mean by moon splitting into pieces and joining up?", He answered, "Oh come on, moon on 14th of the month is full than it breaks up and becomes smaller than joins up again and becomes full". I was seriously surprised, that this person doesn't even have idea about phases of moon, so I asked what did he mean by first statement about small creation of God going to moon. He said, "Small creation, like a small sparrow it can fly to moon and back".

At that point I remember telling him that he should shut up because its a students hostel and don't say such things if he has no knowledge. My friends stopped me and pulled me out of the mosque, but the guy invited me to his room after Isha (Last prayer) and argued with me for 15 minutes why we shouldn't study science but for sure I was defending science and telling him that how wrong he was.

After 15 minutes he asked me, "What is your madhab?", I had no clue what he meant, I didn't know what was madhab, I asked "What do you mean by that?", he asked, "Are you hanfi, shafi, hanbali etc.", I said "I'm none, I'm Muslim only", he answered, "Oh my God you are totally lost (Gumrah - meaning lost in religious sense out of religion)", I told him, "Yes I'm Gumrah like Omar, Ali and Abu Bakr, they were not any of the things you said" (i.e. they were not hanfi, shafi etc.).

So he kicked me out of his room (not literally), but point being if you don't follow people you are considered wrong, you simply don't believe in God because you say that I need someone to explain me what God has sent me, God doesn't know what I need and people who have no knowledge about what is science talk about things they don't even understand.

Overall the indecent was a jolt, I had never come up against any person who had so little knowledge and was standing in the mosque and dictating to people what he believe to be true, if these people are considered to know the meaning of Quran, I seriously doubt that person who consider have any kind of logic or understanding. These people don't know anything, they have no idea about whats happening in domain of current science and technology and for sure they can't understand Quran if they can't even understand simple things like phases of moon which people long before prophet Mohammad could understand. These are our leaders!

Islam today as we know is like religion created by people, we don't follow book of God but we follow what we think is right from other books that were written in name of Islam, most of them assumptions, because simple test could be applied to them, 


4:82 Do they not consider the Qur'an?  Had it been from other than Allah they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.

Why am I saying that to you? Because like science needs proof, God needs proof, I can't go on and say "God exists" because I have blind faith, prophet didn't come to us to give us blind faith, he gave us faith, that we could test, check and recheck.

I don't believe in God because my dad said so or because people around me believe in God, I believe in God because I got my proof as needed, it may be proof for you or might not be its an open question but what I have could be tested, checked and rechecked.

So as I said before God can't be proven using knowledge or lack of knowledge, I can't say that we don't know where the universe started from and that we have no answer to it so God made universe, it doesn't make sense at all because its based on lack of knowledge, I can't say we don't know how male and female evolved so that is proof of God again its a lack of knowledge.

For me the God exists because of few verses in Quran.

First of all lets consider for a time, prophet Mohammad didn't get Quran from God but he forged it he wrote fake things just to make us believe that it came from God. We have some idea that prophet came from Makkah at that time it had hardly 5,000 people, which is less than many villages in India, this is just a rough estimate based on information from Internet, I'm not saying it has to be true but it can't be more than that as we have some idea that size of current mosque is more size of Makkah at that time. So we could call it a small village of today. Looking at literacy rate of that time would be around 5% but prophet wasn't one of them who was a learned person. It is Quran and for those who don't agree with Quran it simply means prophet himself is saying it to people, if he was literate for sure he can't say it if he go against himself.

Quran

62:2 It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an apostle from among themselves to rehearse to them His Signs to sanctify them and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom although they had been before in manifest error.

So prophet was from a village of Makkah that had a population of around 5,000, its population had a very low literacy rate and he himself was illiterate, overall he wasn't a scientist who had dedicated his entire life for science but from age of 40-62 he managed to give Quran.

Overall its impossible for someone to give accurate scientific ideology and claim things that weren't know to be true till 1900s, but in case he was a super genius and he says "God exists" I have no problem with that either because he is smarter than smartest people on Earth till 1300 years after him.

First verse:

Quran

21: 30 Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation) before We clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing.  Will they not then believe?

You could check the translation on http://quran.com/21/30

Lets take second part first "We made from water every living thing".

Most of the people would say, "So what's the big deal", yes old times in desert water was a very important thing and so its written, nothing so amazing. Problem is today no matter what planet we search, from Mar, Venus or moons of Jupiter and Saturn. We look for water.

http://www.space.com/13510-water-mars-search-life.html

http://www.space.com/7962-search-water-planets-takes-giant-leap.html

Water covers 70.9% of the Earth's surface, and is vital for all known forms of life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water

So we are looking for water because we want to look for life, but isn't this obvious? Problem is for life we could say sun is needed, soil is needed, etc. So why water? Because we today know that these things are optional and life can exists without these things in total darkness, plants can grow without soil . ( http://aces.nmsu.edu/ces/yard/2002/121402.html ).

This is why we are looking for only water, because its the thing that can produce life, if its droplets of water in air or small amount of cold water within the frozen container, like on Europa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal_vent

We today know that life exists deep in the sea where no light reaches, these hydro thermal vents were first discovered in 1977 but Quran was written much before that, thus the claim that life was created out of water is amazing by itself as the above link claims,

"Life has traditionally been seen as driven by energy from the sun, but deep sea organisms have no access to sunlight, so they must depend on nutrients found in the dusty chemical deposits and hydrothermal fluids in which they live."

So Quran claims, "We made from water every living thing", which is small part of the book a single line, its not even a verse its a part of a verse but means a lot when it claims something like that.

Now Prophet Mohammad could have said it, it could be lucky guess, lets analyze the first part of this verse.

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together before We clove them asunder?"

Here the verse says, Heavens and the earth were joined together, before they were broken apart, doesn't that sound clearly like big bang? The heaven (everything above) and earth were joined and than it broke apart. It does sound like Big Bang but I'm sure the translator did it on purpose, he wanted it to sound like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

"After the discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation in 1964, and especially when its spectrum (i.e., the amount of radiation measured at each wavelength) was found to match that of thermal radiation from a black body, most scientists had become fairly convinced that some version of the Big Bang scenario must have occurred."

So scientist became convinced of this idea of big bang in 1964 but translation given above was done 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Yusuf_Ali

"Yusuf Ali's best-known work is his book The Holy Qur'an: Text, Translation and Commentary, begun in 1934 and published in 1938"

So for sure it can't be that be that he got the idea in 1938 and publish it in his translation that isn't possible, unless he was impressed by the idea in 1934 when it was first proposed and not famous with people in 1927 and by 1934 he put it in his translation, but the major issue is that its not a wrong translation no matter how many translation you look at its same and if you speak and understand Arabic its great because you can read it and understand it yourself.

So where a verse that is so powerful that is talking about something we discovered just this century, got the idea from, if its from Prophet Mohammad, I said he has to be the smartest person ever, if not than it has to be from God.

Leaving everything aside, verse says, "Do not the Unbelievers see that..."

So don't the unbelievers really see? The proof is right in your face and still you don't see? If it was a mere coincidence than a challenge wouldn't be place in front of it, challenge means very clearly that this is a proof a sign as prophets are suppose to bring sign from God.

The other verse we will talk about in my next post, for time being its a challenge to unbelievers who reject existence of God that we have no proof, in my posts I will talk about many other challenges not only to people who reject existence of God but to others who worship men and think they are worshiping God.